#059 College level science for kids?! w/ Dr Daniel Fried

[00:02:43] And a PhD in chemistry from Yale. After a postdoctoral fellowship at the Weizmann Institute of science, he became an assistant professor of chemistry. So then he started teaching upper school science and he currently lives in New Jersey with his wife. Five-year-old son and a new baby daughter. Oh, how cool is that? So we’re talking to Dr. Daniel free today about his baby, his other baby. Biochemistry literacy for kids, which is an online learning system. Uh, and you also use like models. Um, for kids of any ages, but it’s like college level science and.

[00:03:23] This is like, this is what our family needs, and it may, will be what your family needs as well. And when I kind of had a look into it, what I loved about this was how accessible it is because it’s one thing to find something that would be totally awesome for your kid. But it’s another thing to find something that’s accessible financially and, and just accessible in terms of getting into it. And so being online.

[00:03:48] And doing zoom classes, it’s obviously very accessible.

[00:03:52] So I’m super excited to be bringing Dr. Daniel free to you today to talk more about his online science classes for kids. And so that you don’t miss out on any of our podcasts, feel free to subscribe to our gifted kids at ourgiftedkids.com. You can join our Facebook group where we’ve gotten a little extra video, Dr. Daniel freight. This week and also check us out on Instagram. And keep loving your quirky, awesome people. And that includes you.

[00:04:51] Hello and welcome. Super excited today to be introducing everyone to Dr. Daniel fried the creator of biochemistry literacy program. And now Daniel, I’m just going to get you to tell us all about that in just a second, but first of all, welcome, I’m really excited to have you on the show.

[00:05:11] Dr Daniel Fried: Thank you. I really love your podcast and I’m just a, an honor and a pleasure to be here. Thank you.

[00:05:16] Sophia Elliott: Yeah. When I saw your website, I’m like, oh my God, this gifted to screams gifted kids. Uh, and I was super excited because, uh, you know, I wish we’d had this a few years ago and, and we are still gonna investigate it as a family, but for one of my kids in particular would’ve and I think he’d still love it.

[00:05:36] But first of all right, tell us about what you do and how did you end up doing. Go

[00:05:43] Dr Daniel Fried: sure. Yeah. I I’ve been working on this for a really long time. When I was a graduate student at Yale, uh, towards the end of the, uh, program, I really started to think about you know, could the knowledge that I had gained as a graduate student, working in a protein folding lab.

[00:06:00] Could that knowledge have been. Given to me, you know, before I was 26 years old or whatever, you know, did I have to wait that long and go to a graduate school, uh, program to learn that stuff. So I, I basically started experimenting just kind of on a whim or just on a, on a dare maybe to see if we could get.

[00:06:18] Little kids to appreciate things like protein, folding and protein structure. And I had some really positive experiences with some of these experimental classes that I was doing. And I just thought, wow, there’s really something here. Like kids really like are turned onto this stuff and it’s so much easier to teach than I ever thought it would be.

[00:06:37] So that’s kind of the beginning of the program. And over the years, as I was a, I was a, a professor for six or seven years. During that time, I really was able to, become a good teacher and, really learn, learn the subject and, and be able to teach the subject and just basically converting.

[00:06:55] College level content into something that’s approachable for little kids, that’s really what this became. And then the pandemic really, uh, gave me the time. And, uh, there that, that there was that, need for homeschooling and it all kind of came together. And, so in the last three years or so this really became a homeschool, uh, gifted program.

[00:07:15] And, uh, there’s just, uh, a lot of people using it now. And, you know, we’re using, uh, physical models, computer models to. Things in biology that are normally, really intimidating to make those things just really, really easy for kids and for any, any kind of learner, but even, uh, very young kids.

[00:07:31] So that’s been the amazing like journey that this has been to just kind of try something like totally, that’s never been really done before and it’s, it’s really working at this point. So it’s just awesome to see it finally working out. that’s a little bit about me, I guess.

[00:07:47] Sophia Elliott: And it is really awesome because there’s such a need for it in this niche.

[00:07:52] So it’s offering that college level kind of knowledge and learning to kids of any age in a really accessible way. And this is totally your jam because like you’re currently teaching chemistry and biology at upper school, but you were an assistant , professor of chemistry at St. Peter’s university.

[00:08:12] But then. You have a bachelor of science in , biochemistry from Birmingham university and a PhD in chemistry from Yale. So like, This is your, this is your stuff. .

[00:08:24] Dr Daniel Fried: Yeah. And I, before that I was a music major also. Oh, wow. Education major. So yeah. So part, part of the interesting thing about the pedagogy is I’m not coming from, I’m not coming to this as a typical science person.

[00:08:38] I have an arts background and a strong music background. So a lot of the pedagogy is like very different from what you would’ve seen in your high school chemistry. So there’s a whole bunch of like weird things about me that come together to make this really unique. That’s also part of the story yeah,

[00:08:54] Sophia Elliott: definitely. I can, I can resonate with that myself. It’s funny. What parts of your life come together to yeah. You find yourself in this place. So over the last couple of years you’ve been, you’ve had these videos online and you are now working with people from all over the world. Really? I know there’s a bunch of folk in Australia because I was actually talking to someone in our community only recently, and they’ve just started homeschool.

[00:09:20] And I’m like, have you seen this thing? Like, yeah, we’re doing it already. So it’s, it’s obviously getting out there. Are you finding that? What, like, where are you finding people are popping up from.

[00:09:34] Dr Daniel Fried: Yeah, no, this was one of the coolest nights of my life. Honestly, I was driving to my cousin’s house and I got a phone call from Australia.

[00:09:41] And basically it was one of these homeschool groups, uh, wanting to kind of distribute the model kit in Australia and kind of help me promote it there. This was in the beginning. I didn’t really even have that many users at this point. And I was like, wow, this is like really cool. So there’s, so there was really a founder effect.

[00:09:59] There’s really quite a lot of Australians involved in, I’d say it’s a hundred, at least, it’s a good, good percentage of, of the program. So, yeah, it’s, it’s awesome. I mean, honestly, The I love teaching chemistry. Like that’s great. I love working with the kids, but the coolest thing for me is just seeing, oh, we have someone from Africa now, or someone from, you know, Northern Canada or something like that’s the coolest part for me is like being able to, you know, send, send this model kid all over the world and have kids.

[00:10:25] You know, begin to think like me, that, that I never would’ve met. You know, being able to think like think in a chem chemistry, like way a chemist, like way so that’s, that’s honestly the, the top thing for me, like the chemistry is also cool but yeah, just being able to affect and, change these kids lives because these kids.

[00:10:42] They wouldn’t have anything like this. They, they wouldn’t know to do this, like when I was a kid, I didn’t, I was kind of, I never thought I would do chemistry. I, I was like something harder. I, I was more of collecting insects and, a naturalist sort of person, uh, studying animals and I never.

[00:10:59] Would’ve been able to do chemistry, but it’s so cool that, that, this is now there. And so many of these kids wanna be chemists. They wanna be biochemists and researchers and doctors. So that’s just amazing to me to, to, be able to be at the ground floor of these kids, academic lives.

[00:11:16] It’s, it’s really amazing.

[00:11:17] Sophia Elliott: That is super exciting. And I, I totally get where you’re coming from. Cuz when I get like comments and messages from people, I’m like I’m in Mexico or Sweden and I’m like, oh my God. So I, yeah. That’s way cool that we’re the world is such a small place these days. And so on your online course, people access it obviously through the.

[00:11:41] There’s currently about a hundred or so lessons. And,

[00:11:45] Dr Daniel Fried: uh, okay. Is that yeah. Well, if they were normal size lessons, there’d be hundreds, but I make really long lessons that people sometimes want me to chop up into smaller lessons, which I understand. But yeah, it’s, it’s a lot of content right now there’s Published right now as of, you know, whatever, uh, August 20, 20, 20, 22, uh, there’s 24 units, but there’s gonna be a bunch more coming on that I have done.

[00:12:08] I’m gonna be, you know, I’m always adding to it. Mm-hmm and, and my goal this year is to make it more high school aligned. So the original vision of the program was 12 units. So in 12. Go from knowing absolutely nothing about chemistry to knowing protein, folding, how proteins fold and how hydrogen bonds and hydro hydro hydrophobic core governs protein folding a little bit.

[00:12:29] So that was the initial goal. And that’s what the, that’s what people bought in the beginning 12 units. But I’ve been adding to it over the, you know, couple years that that it’s been going. So. We cover all of basic college biochemistry. Now, a lot of general chemistry and even some astrophysics. I have a three.

[00:12:48] That’s gonna be coming on really soon. It’s already done. I’ve already piloted to get it on the website. It’s on how do stars make elements? Which I never was taught almost no one knows this stuff. I do a lot of research. Yeah. It’s so cool. I mean, how cool is it to know, like where does nitrogen come from in the universe?

[00:13:06] So that’s, so we cover like lots of different things and it’s gonna be more high school line cuz people can get high school credit, but yeah, it’s a lot of, it’s a lot of units, general chemistry, some organic. And biochemistry and other, other fun topics too. So it’s it’s like a, eventually it’ll be a one stop shop for anyone who wants to learn about you know, chemistry to, to biology, anywhere in that, in that, uh, spectrum there.

[00:13:28] Sophia Elliott: That’s super exciting. My eldest is into astrophysics. Oh, wow. I, so we’re definitely gonna have a look at this because it might just be something he doesn’t know and I would be super excited if that was the case. So, yeah. Cool. That sounds awesome. And. So on the website, I noticed that you’re obviously in the us, so folk, uh, listeners in the us can uh, get model kits developed there.

[00:13:53] So when you join, uh, you suggest that people get this model kit. And for those people watching the video, you’ve got a little D you’ve got some there and it’s like, uh, plastic balls. You’ve probably got more technical words. for what those, uh, you know, connections are called, but this allows kids to actually, I imagine make those, uh, molecules and stuff like that.

[00:14:18] Dr Daniel Fried: Yeah. Yeah. So I should talk a little about, I keep talking about this, uh, big scale. I should talk about the product also. So the so what I’m really doing is it’s a it’s like a flipped classroom model. It’s, uh, it’s like Khan academy, it’s video and I make videos, but they’re very, very highly produced videos.

[00:14:34] All custom visualizations, animations. It’s really beautiful. These things take me way too much time to make the months to make. So it’s not just me kind of droning away on a chalkboard. It’s like, just the colors have to be just right. The organization, the pattern, the learning sequence. It’s a whole psychology of, of chemistry learning.

[00:14:52] And that’s how I’m able to reach these young kids because I, I put so much work in, in the back end to making sure. It’s all like so easy to, to just take this in. So they watch the videos, they do worksheets obviously. And then the, the real secret to it is the model kit. So, you know, people have model kits like this, but I I’ve been able to put together a custom model kit and no one else has done this yet, but they, they, I was gonna

[00:15:13] Sophia Elliott: say, I’ve never seen one like that.

[00:15:15] There are different kind of phones and things there. Cause we’ve had those in the past, but they’re not that good.

[00:15:20] Dr Daniel Fried: Yeah. So the idea is that we can model hydrogen bonding, which is in intermolecular reactions. So, meaning, meaning interactions between molecules. So we can do like base pairing, like, like DNA based pairing like this.

[00:15:32] So that’s how you know, DNA comes together. This is how proteins fold together. We can do things like model, uh, the formation of ice. So each one of these if people know the color coating, they would know that a, a red, uh, Adam, uh, is an oxygen. There’s two hydrogens, but because we have these like extra little holes here and these lone pair pieces, we can, uh, put these together and then we get. Bigger structures and we can see, for example, the hexagonal structure. So if you can’t see it, I’m showing a, he a hexagonal alignment of, of water molecules. And this is where we get the ice crystal from, and we can also shake it and melt the ice and it falls apart. So, there’s so many different.

[00:16:08] Things that are, uh, a bonus for the special model kit, but just, just encouraging kids to model in general is, is really great. You don’t totally need the special kit, but it’s, you know, everything in the videos, everything I talk about, it can be modeled and that’s, that’s why it works. You know, when I did chemistry, we didn’t, I don’t remember really doing a lot of modeling and that’s what makes chemistry so intangible for people.

[00:16:29] I mean, a lot of people have memories of just being totally disoriented in chemistry class. And I I’d had a really great chemistry teacher, but I think just the way it was back then, we didn’t have the computer modeling and a lot of stuff. Also wasn’t known back then, you know, I’m, I’m teaching stuff in my lessons that is like published a couple years ago.

[00:16:47] You know, things about biology that are just being known. So. A lot of people ask, like, how do you teach chemistry to these little kids? It’s because the, the subject itself has matured and there’s answers to things that are so interesting and so clear now that we’re not like that a long time ago. So it’s just different.

[00:17:04] And I’m able to, to keep up with it, a lot of the traditional curriculum, it’s, it’s got other things to worry about and they, they’re not allowed to innovate so quickly. So they’re kind of stuck a little bit. So that’s what you’re getting is you’re getting cutting edge. That is just, you know, resonates really well with kids.

[00:17:20] Kids wanna know how the world works. So I, I, I just, and I do, so I try to, yeah. You know, for myself, I wanna do it. And then I, I, I try to share it.

[00:17:29] Sophia Elliott: Yeah, absolutely. And I have to say, uh, for the parents listening, what excited me about it was. It’s obviously great content. You can see that, but it’s also really accessible, cuz I don’t know how many times I’ve seen something.

[00:17:43] Awesome. But then it’s like, ah, I can’t afford that. And I’m really, you know, like how do we get that? Cause our gifted kids are so many extras that were forever kind of paying for and adding up. And I really loved how accessible this is for families. So if you’re listening, don’t feel. Uh, check it out. If you think this is going to excite your children because, uh, yeah, that was one of.

[00:18:07] Reasons. I was super excited to talk to you. And it was actually a parent who got in touch to say, who was doing your courses. Like you really need to check this out and interview Daniel. And so that was super exciting as well. So thank you. I really, I do read all those messages and get in touch. So what I.

[00:18:29] Dr Daniel Fried: Oh, sorry, go ahead. Sorry. No, I just say saying I have some really like fervent parents that are just really trying to make this, you know, help me out and make this work because you know, I, I didn’t start this as a business. I’m not, I’m not a guy who has a bunch of investors and we were scheming a way to make a bunch of money off. Off te off education. Uh, I literally made this because I, I wanted to see if kids could do this because I wish that I had this. Yeah. And you know, I’m still kind of approaching it sort of as an amateur business person, but it, it is, did have to become a business. One of the reasons is because it’s, so it, the way I see it, it’s so innovative that we sometimes have trouble with mainstream you know, uh, institutions, uh, they, they can’t really figure out what this is, so it’s never been funded properly. So I, so the parents are so, uh, precious to me because they, they support it financially, cuz it’s expensive to run this kind of thing. And also they, they help spread the word about it.

[00:19:25] So that’s just amazing to have parents that really, really take, take it under their wing and try to help with it. So yeah, I’m always grateful.

[00:19:33] Sophia Elliott: Yeah, absolutely. And I get that, cuz I’m the same. It’s just kind of like, I really wanna do this thing cause I think it’s awesome. It’s kind of like, okay, let’s make it work.

[00:19:41] Which is really exciting. So tell us a little bit about what kind of ages are popping up in terms of the kids that are accessing your program.

[00:19:51] Dr Daniel Fried: Yeah. So I Don. Have all the demographics of, of everybody. Yeah. I, I base it on what I see in the zoom classes and there’s a lot of, a lot of kids have done the zoom classes over the last couple years.

[00:20:03] I don’t know. The age might be, uh, averaging 8, 9, 10, and that eight, that, that, that, that range eight, nine and 10 11, when I’m writing the lessons. I think about what an average third grader or fourth grader would be able to do. And I have a very high, uh, opinion about what kids. Can do, which is also the, the under undercurrent of this whole thing.

[00:20:23] You know, I don’t think that kids should be given babies stuff, watered down stuff, which is great. Think that kids be given real stuff because they wanna be treated like adults. I have a five year old right now and he want, he desperately wants to be a grown up. And he, he like AB whores baby stuff. Mm-hmm so I’m not, you know, making a baby version of chemistry.

[00:20:44] It’s just a really clear version. And it, it treats the kids. It empowers them. It treats them like comp. I, I feel like they’re competent learners, which they are. And they, I think that’s part of the secret also is that they know that I believe in them and trust that they can do it. So, and when I’m working, you know, this, this also.

[00:21:02] Another part of the story is that this wasn’t designed to be a homeschool program. This was designed to be in public schools and it is in public schools. I piloted it in public schools, uh, you know, uh, rich schools, poor schools, all different kinds of schools and the schools, the, the kids in the schools can learn it.

[00:21:18] Also, it doesn’t doesn’t necessarily have to be gifted, uh, kids you know, gifted kids might learn it faster. They may have more background knowledge, but this is made for everybody and it’s made. And the other point you were saying before is that it’s accessible financially. It’s made to be cheap because the whole point of this was that it should be adopted by schools and schools don’t have millions of dollars to buy an Oculus headset for every kid usually.

[00:21:40] And they don’t have money for virtual reality room. So it’s plastic models, which don’t cost much and access to my site, which I. Accessible, I think for most people and if it’s not like I help them out. Cause it’s really about getting this out there and getting, getting everyone to experience this because I really believe this can change the world.

[00:21:59] If people know what their world is, then they can change it because then they have this power to make decisions and to, to know what things are, which is. Not easy for them to get, you know, a lot of people don’t know basic stuff, uh, like what stuff’s made out of how basic biology things work. So that’s what I’m trying to, trying to do.

[00:22:19] I rambled off your topic. A lot there in that.

[00:22:25] Sophia Elliott: No, that’s perfect because I think it’s, uh, important just to acknowledge that, uh, if you’re a parent listening, this could be something that your child just does. It’s an extra interest on the weekend. If you’re homeschooling, it’s brilliant. If you’re a teacher and this interests you and using it at the school, uh, it’s accessible and useful wherever you are coming from, which I think is really great.

[00:22:47] And. And I love that you kind of, you weren’t like thinking of the gift of community, but the gift of community’s just kind of going, oh my God, it’s awesome. Which is really fabulous. And I think

[00:22:57] Dr Daniel Fried: that’s think, I think I’m remembering what your question was. Your, your original question was the, oh great.

[00:23:02] Cause I, your question and I totally forgot the, the ages late, mid, mid, late elementary school, but. For the gifted kids. It’s a little different I’ve, I’ve have kids that have started this when they’re five years old. I have, I have a five year old right now. Uh, I mean, these are brilliant kids. It’s just amazing to see that these kids are so on point with it and talking about, you know, I’ll say, you know, why, why is it that, uh, an oxygen can, can uh, you know, what’s so special about an oxygen versus the carbon.

[00:23:29] Oh, the oxygens can hydrogen bond. And it’s just amazing to hear, you know, five year old, six year old saying that. So. It’s a lot, a lot of people it’s hard for them to sometimes tease the difference out here. We have kids that are very young doing this, but it’s not for young kids. It’s for really anybody.

[00:23:45] It just happens to resonate really well with young kids, it’s really a high school. Curriculum. It’s a prep. It’s a prep for in the United States. We have the advanced placement test. So this is advanced placement prep material for, you know, the higher level high school courses, but little kids wanna learn this.

[00:24:03] So I, I kind of have them in mind when I make the curriculum. And so

[00:24:07] Sophia Elliott: that note, what has surprised you most about this journey that you have been on?

[00:24:14] Dr Daniel Fried: Yeah. Okay. That’s surprise. Well, the surprise is that it finally started to work there was a long story. I never thought I, you know, I was doing it and it just like wasn’t working.

[00:24:23] I couldn’t know who the right audience was. And it took a really long time to figure out, oh, like getting stuff online for homeschool. Like that’s really gonna be my core audience. Like that’s that’s. So that worked, uh, I was going after schools for too long and now I love, I love when schools come to me, but it’s really hard as a.

[00:24:39] One person to like deal with marketing to schools. It’s just not really possible. Yeah. But homeschool parents, you know, they see it, they like it. They buy it and then I can help them. So, so that that’s been the, the success of it. Some of the surprise. I mean, unfortunately this, one of the big surprises was how difficult it was.

[00:24:56] To get people to believe that this was real. I, I got a PhD. I became a professor, you know, I, I felt like I was a real person, but I would tell people that I’m, designing a curriculum, I’m working with little kids and just the, the skepticism is still amazing that, that people can’t get past that this is possible that that kids, whether they’re gifted or not gifted, That kids can do this.

[00:25:19] There’s just so much skepticism still. And that’s been really disappointing and just a lot of people just trying everything they can to, to, to kind of wish it away. But unfortunately, you know, I, around a, I just, I just emailed everyone a message, like my monthly, I’ve almost a thousand accounts now.

[00:25:35] So it’s like, you know, it’s like this, this is this train. What’s the, the boat. The boat has sailed here. Like this really is a real thing. There are ways of organizing high level knowledge and science so that, you know, it’s accessible to everybody. They really are learning. They’re not memorizing or something.

[00:25:53] You know, I wouldn’t be wasting my time if I was doing some kind of memorizing course. So, but that that’s been unfortunate, surprising part that it’s, that I haven’t had a lot of support from people I thought would be supportive. In, you know, maybe you know, important educational positions. , let’s say

[00:26:10] Sophia Elliott: I get that completely, like, as a parent of three gifted kids, many years ago, I kind of had this moment and it was like, I never want my kids to be, to have barriers because of the lack of imagination of the adults around them.

[00:26:26] Do you know? Yeah. And, and it speaks to that very much. It’s like people really underestimate. What kids can learn and what they’re interested in and the fact that they want to learn it. It’s not like you’re being a pushy parent. It’s like, yeah. Uh, you know, Like I said, my eldest is a real science kid and he just consumed and absorbed, you know, like things that, you know, we were just trying to keep up.

[00:26:54] So yeah, I really, really get that. Uh, and it’s just, like I said, super exciting to have a resource like this out there. And. There’s not enough, and I, I love that. It’s also, you’re saying this is like recent research and, and it’s really kind of up to date my, yeah, my son, when he reads a book, now he’ll actually flick to the front and he’ll be like, if it’s not kind of published within the last five years, he’ll be like, oh, it’s a bit out of day.

[00:27:24] I’ll have to read it as a historical text. . Always made me laugh. But science moves. Right. And it’s, uh, it’s really great to be on top of all that stuff. So that’s, that’s super awesome. So how do people get in touch? Where do they find you? And the course.

[00:27:42] Dr Daniel Fried: Yes. If you just search for biochemistry, kids, bio, you know, it’s called biochemistry, literacy for kids, but anything to deal with kids in biochemistry, I, I will come up in some way, uh, whether it’s on social media or, uh, on my website.

[00:27:56] There’s really no one else doing this. There’s really no one else. That’s that’s working. With kids in chemistry and really biology, I guess, at this level. So it will just pop right up. If you forget even what it’s called biochemistry for kids.com is what it is. And yeah, so you can go there, you can see the website, I initially made a bunch of documentaries actually.

[00:28:16] So if you go to the website, you’ll see some professionally produced videos. Of some of the school programs that I did where you can hear, you know, what, how this was done in a school, just on a very short, uh, short term scale, even just after six or seven units, you can hear these kids talking and these are, these are, you know, kids in you know, Different schools around New York city.

[00:28:35] And you can just hear what it, what it’s done for them. And, but, but really what this does online for the homeschool community. This is a real deep dive. This is a long term. It can be a long term commitment. You can really do this for multiple years. Once, once you finish the normal curriculum, we have, uh, zoom classes where kids, uh, stay on and I just kind of.

[00:28:55] Go over different topics and teach them whatever their interests are. So kids, kids have been with me for three years now. So yeah, you can go to the website. You can look at the. The, the lesson registration, you can get yourself a model kit or two, and, uh, you can look at what the, what zoom classes are, are available at the time that I’m always teaching at least three or four zoom classes.

[00:29:14] I have an Australian friendly zoom class time that is starting in September. It’s it’s a. At this time, it’s 10 at night for me, but it’s at a good time for Australians. And it’s, that is appreciated.

[00:29:25] Sophia Elliott: Just thank you. On behalf of all the Australians,

[00:29:29] Dr Daniel Fried: very much from time to time. I do, I do try to make sure I start a class that’s, uh, at a good time for people in like Singapore and Australia.

[00:29:37] And, uh, yeah, and then those classes continue for months and, you know, we go through all the lessons and the kids learn everything. So, so that’s, that’s what it’s about. Yeah. And you can also look on, there’s a Facebook user group. If you wanna, like hear from the other parents, I have a nice Instagram page where you can kind of see all different kinds of stuff, what what’s gone on over the years.

[00:29:55] So, yeah, I’m, and I’m very accessible. Sometimes people, uh, message me and they say, oh, can. Talk to, you know, a customer service representative and I’m like, oh, I am the customer service representative. So if you ever need any help, like I’m always there to help the families and ask her and answer technical questions and, you know, fix the glitch or something.

[00:30:14] So I really want this to be a great experience for everybody.

[00:30:18] Sophia Elliott: Brilliant. I love it. And I’ll put all of those links in the show notes, so everyone can find that nice and easily. Uh, and I just wanna thank you for coming on today and chatting to us, uh, about this wonderful kind of opportunity for all of our gifted kids.

[00:30:34] Uh, super exciting. Thank you so much.

[00:30:37] Dr Daniel Fried: No, thank you so much. It’s uh, amazing to be on your podcast. Yeah.

[00:30:41] Sophia Elliott: And, and I always say to guests please keep us updated. Do you know if you’re doing various things in the future and like, right. Wanna tell everyone about it, like come on back and let’s tell everyone about it, cuz it’s very exciting.

[00:30:56] Dr Daniel Fried: Awesome. I will. awesome.